Kids And MMA: Exploitation or Not?
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Last week, we discussed a typical Sean Hannity overreaction in regards to kids participating in MMA.
Because he personifies the term “helicopter parent” that wants every precious snowflake protected — unless you are a child from New Orleans, apparently — and because he apparently toes the McCain party line (MMA is equivalent to cock-fighting), he seems to think all things MMA are bad for society and when kids are involved, it’s only for exploitation purposes, with the organizers being the only beneficiaries.
In my previous post, I mainly ripped on Hannity for typical mouthpiece overreacting but after that, I thought I could add some more substance to the argument and so I picked a random martial arts dojo that taught children who participated in various tournaments (you know, these existed LONG before the MMA craze took over the fighting world) to get a better perspective.
The sensei I decided on was Pat Betterton of Tristar Martial Arts (found through a random Google search) and we discussed the topic in some depth. It just so happens Pat was a great choice for this particular subject because he teaches children combat skills and he sees the benefit of their participation on a daily basis. He’s also a McCain supporter, meaning he’s not being disagreeable just because he’s not a Hannity fan.
Here are some of the things I learned from speaking with Pat in regards to kids participating in MMA:
Pat feels participating in Martial Arts training and the tournaments and competitions involved gives children a great sense of self-worth. It also provides a good set of moral values because you realize there are things bigger than your own minor existence. The confidence children get from this type of training is undeniable as well. Pat has directly observed trained children become more confident, more obedient towards their parents, and teaches them discipline and the benefits of hard work.
Most of which are foreign concepts when dealing with children and the youth of today.
Betterton also believes kids with a strong knowledge of self defense have a great sense of confidence and that there’s no greater test than pitting yourself against an opponent’s abilities. No teams. No one to block a shot if the man you are guarding blows by you with a clear path to the basket. The increase of self-reliance is also a noticeable benefit.
Based on these two simple paragraphs, you’d think parents would be signing their kids up for Martial training by the boatload but I suppose their MySpace appointments would interfere.
Of course, this really doesn’t address Hannity’s exploitation argument, but Pat and I discussed that as well. You see, the “MMA” acronym is a powerful marketing tool that instills images of Kimbo Slice and busted up faces in the eyes of most of the soccer mom crowd. So when people see the words “kids” and “MMA” in a sentence, they tend to think the kids are in there beating the crap out each other for a bloodthirsty crowd, while the organizers are making Don King-like money.
This is not the case.
Whether it’s MMA or just a standard, run-of-the-mill Martial Arts tournament, most instructors don’t make a “living large” salary from their efforts. In fact, Pat made a point to tell me most of money for the tournaments his kids participate in comes directly out of his pocket. He’s paying for the travel and perhaps even the entry fees.
Tickets to these events are not astronomical either. Most tickets costs $2-3 and these arenas are not usually filled to capacity as it is. I’m not sure who is going to be making a killing off of these kids, but it won’t be their trainers… In fact, Pat was discussing an event in Madison Square Garden and the entrance fee to it was only $10. So no, there’s not a goldmine of money waiting for people willing to have children compete in an octagon.
Betterton also feels the spectators are there to support the children, not for the exploitation factor and that kids are participating for the love of the competition, not for some potential shot at fame. If that’s what you want for your kids, put them on VH1 with Danny Bonaduce. As it stands, it seems like the area for exploitation is minimal, as well as the idea these kids are getting beaten half to death.
Maybe Hannity was afraid these kids would be going up against the likes of Kimbo Slice or Anderson Silva.
I would like to send a hearty thanks to Pat Betterton for helping me with this topic.


Pat Betterton is a fake and uses his abilities to fool people into believing he is a master in karate. Betterton was arrested and is currently being held in jail for molesting a child.
I hear he was just arrested for Sexual assault on a child..
It was on Channel 12 news..
Wow. That is some unsettling news. Thank you two for the update. Unfortunately, the message being relayed will be lost now because of Betterton’s alleged choices.
Pat made bail on Monday. Watch your daughters!
Pat has a problem with anger management – he’s not someone that should be out on bail
Ok first of all in America, you are innocent until proven guilty. I read what you wrote about Pat on that karate underworld site and wanted to just let it go, but now I’m just sick of it. I am a proud parent of one of Sensei Pat’s former students and have known the guy for over a year. You either don’t know him at all or are too much of a coward to post your real name. I know all the parents in his advanced class. You accused him on that other sight of being a “fake instructor”. Let me ask you this, what is a “real instructor” in your eyes. I doubt your children (if you have any) were ever in his school. He does bring his kids to tournaments and how do they do against students of any and all every instructor? Has he ever turned down a Challenge from another school? It looked like to me that he was doing his job just fine as an instructor because his kids were always better than the other kids that they fought. Always. I would not say he had anger issues, however I can see how you say that because he would get really mad at some of the teenagers in the class. I think that was porr planning to have the teens in the same class as the little kids because they then acted like little kids and he expected more out of them. I had spoken to several parents of when he was at that first aid squad and they said he never once had an anger issue and they never thought he even got mad at all until he opened his school and they were seeing him 7days a week. Even then they never thought it was an anger management problem as they kept going and even started going more often once they could. You say that he lacked qualification and that everyone should ask they instructors to see certificates, but then you say anyone can print them. For yours information, I saw his certificates and know he constantlly answered who he studied under and where he trained. Your talking about a guy that taught wrestling and kaarte and you complains about karate. I saw my daughter and son get in great shape and always did well against everyone they fought. This is what he promised and he delivered that more than my wildest dream. There are dozens of kids like mine, who are completely lost and heartbroken over what has happened. My kids lost the best thing to ever happen to them. I know many parents feel this way to.
I thought he was still in jail to this day and many parents still thought that too. There has been no way to get in contact with him because he stopped paying for his phone and website. By the way you say about how terrible he was, yet he was working a full time job to pay for this school that he let so many people go to for free and at most charged $5 or $6 a class for if they did pay. People couldn’t afford anything else in this economy and he gave their kids a blessing. He paid for everything and the month he doesn’t pay those bills, it all goes away. He was paying for everyone. And you attack him for this? So I wonder how you found out he got out of jail at 10am of the day after you said he got out? Mayeb you should think about how much this is destroying his family. I know he has a father and mother that have been going through hell and one can only imagine what this has done to his sister. I know three weeks ago his whole family was suffering tremendously. He’s a young kid that is being accused of something that I think is entirely untrue. He’s only 23 and look at everything he has done for others. Now he and his whole family suffers. Maybe you should take more thought in what you’re doing. If you do know his family, you know how hard this is on them and the hardship they are all going through. Why don’t you sign your real name? If you don’t I hope you would stop.
I couldn’t believe what really happened. My son still thinks he is one of the best karate teacher.
And what do you think of him? I personally don’t believe it. But the problem is they arrested him and it was in the papers and the landlord took possession of the dojo so he could rent it out to someone else instead of taking a hit on this (i don’t blame him). I believe Pat was barely making rent, which goes to show how much heart he had to work another job and pay the bills and then let people go for free who couldn’t afford it.
I saw him teach and I saw my kids get in great shape and my daughter grew stronger and my son got more mature. And they really kicked but when they fought in those tournaments. It seems like they were better taught than everyone else.
I don’t know what schools you’ve watched TriStar kids fight, but the ones I’ve witnessed the TriStar kids did extremely poorly. The last one I attended, every TriStar kid was pummeled. The school was dirty, the lack of discipline and respect was appalling. And, I witnessed “Sensei Pat” outside thr front of school afterward drinking a beer in the presence of an underaged girl. That’s definately not something I want my child exposed to. MMA, if taught by properly trained instructors, is a wonderful sport for children that builds confidence, self-esteem, respect, honor, etc. Unfortunately, there are no mandatory certifications for someone to label themselves an instructor and open a school.
I think you are lying. I know on serveal occassions he was asked to have alcohol with the parents after class on a weekend and he turned it down. And the fact that the would call hard working kids dirty and how they got “pummeled” says to me you are not an adult. If you are and you have children I feel sorry for them and hope they can teach their mom some maturity.
Have my kids won ever match? No. Did they beat lots of so called black belts along the way yes? You obviously have no idea it’s not even spelt “Tri Star” it’s Tristar, so that tells me you are someone who came to out school and I can only think of Tiger Schulman’s. Maybe you should google search “McDojo” to learn more about your school. If you are being from a school we visited, what is your Sensei’s name? Let’s see if he feel the same way you do?
I have seen TMA kids do amazing well and anyone who followed the program can prove this with all the medals and trophies we won from other people. And if you are from Tiger Schulman’s I remember a lot of your kids getting taken down left and right and then other ones not even being allowed to spar out beginners because your kid wasn’t ready. I remember our kids doing amazing and your sensei getting embarressed and leaving suddenly after coming late. I was also there when this man called Sensei Pat the next night on the phone and challenged him to a fight and when Sensei Pat says when and where this guy begged him not to make him fight him. Like I said, look up McDojo.
You have alot of nerve to call anyone immature. Read what you just wrote. Tristar – regardless of how it’s spelled (yes, I don’t care) – was a filthy and sloppy school. I would be embarrassed to say I went there and would never allow any child of mine to go there. Anyone I know in the REAL world of MMA has no respect for Sensei Pat or his school. He is a fake and a fraud. The name Tristar isn’t even his own. Look that up, my friend. Pummeled is the only way to describe what I saw happened to those Tristar kids…if that makes me immature, so be it. I have no reason to lie about what I saw at that school, including the drinking. Perhaps you are just hurt and defensive and in denial because you do not want to believe the reality of who or what Sensei Pat and his school stands for because you sent your child there. I have no reason to lie.
I am the Sensei from Tiger Schulmann’s. Omar, you are very misinformed. I left the invitation for Pat to come to my school open. He never called as he said he was going to. The kids from tristar were beaten badly that day. He got mad because I told him I wouldn’t bring my kids to his tournament because it was a step down for them. Ultimately I think he just wanted more people at his event. The girl all your kids called Sensei was beaten by a girl I trained for 6 months. We stopped the sparring because none of your kids wanted to fight any more. I also wouldn’t let the higher ranks fight with your kids because I felt it would have been unfair after seeing the grappling. It was our kids that took yours down time and time again. Pat may have had a successful wrestling career in college but that doesn’t make him a martial arts instructor. These latest charges that he is facing prove that he is obviously far from honorable. Bring your kids to my school any time you would like to see real, honest mma instruction.
Here is my take on everything, there is no possible way Pat could have gotten your kids into the best shape. First of all, he is in worse shape than most people I know. The only reason his classes were so cheap was not to help those who couldn’t afford it, it’s because that is all they were worth. And apparently that was even a lot because he didn’t have that many students anyway. Pat has brought his kids to my school, and I saw them each go home defeated. Which is no way to build confidence on a child. After the first time I saw him with his young students marching through the door, which was in fact almost TWO years ago, even I sat to wonder what those kids’ parents were thinking, sending them to a school with such questionable credentials. Even with the knowledge I have about MMA, discipline, and just plain intelligence, I wouldn’t work out with anybody who only taught underaged children. And I heard it was originally out of his basement? Some parents are just blind, or desperate for cheap deals I guess. They seem to think their kids are just not worth it. I agree, it is unfortunate what happened to Pat, but he brought it on himself.
I was there also that day.. all the parents from Tiger Schulmanns left that day feeling terrible for Pat’s students…. not because they were beat so badly.. because they were, not because their school was filthy, because it probably has never seen a cleaning, but because the man who put them in that position didn’t even care that NOT ONE of his students wore any protective equipment when they grappled..no rash guards, no mouth pieces, no ear guards and the boys, no cups. Our parents couldn’t believe their eyes when he stood in front of a couple of his students (when they were crying) with his hands on his hips , yelling in their faces to STOP IT. This is how you treat your students ???? We first felt terrible for his students and then embarrassed by his own behavior.
There is a lot ot be said about a MAN who can’t teach adults… who only invites children into his school…if he was so good, why not the adults ??? I’ll tell you why because it was obvious to those who have witnessed a good mma instructor…. because he didnt’ have the confidence (or the ability) to teach an adult, that’s why and it showed.
The saddest part of it all…..
some of his kids had heart… and with that, probably under the proper instruction, could have been great one day.
Sensei:
Easy on the self-promotion, please. Keep the conversation going.
My son is a student under Sensei Katz and was at the so called karate tournament at TriStar. His students got slaughtered it wasn’t even a fight. I highly suggest you come to our school to see what REAL MMA fighting is all about so you have a better perspective of Pat and his teaching style. His students were extremely unprepared to face TSK. I was very embarrassed for his students. They had a lot of heart to continue but match after match they were submitted. You totally get what you pay for.
Sensei, I and many other parents listened to you challenge him to a fight and then hang up on him when he said “when where”. It was also on speaker phone when he called you back and you told him to stop harasshing you and hung up on him again. It was also on speaker phone when you gave him lots and lots of excuses the third time he called you. And the next night when you called him and told him “you were a nice guy and please don’t be mad at you and you don’t want to fight him especially if your and his students are watching”. He printed out the email you sent him calling MY CHILDREN names. If you really are the instructor of Tiger Schulman I would like you to email me your supervisor’s name and contact information because I believe you sent that email from “tsk.com” email address and I am sure they have copies, and I am sure they would like to hear the names you called my kids. My email is karatekid48ob@yahoo.com. Please send it there.
I now see what this is. Sensei Pat was taking students from you and you are trying to kick the man when he is down. Tiger Schulman students were coming into our school EVERY week and joining. As soon as their contracts ran up. You get what you pay for? And you get an instructor that drives around in a hummer in this struggling economy and would have the audacity to charge you for months and months that your child takes, even if he is sick or just doesn’t like martial arts anymore. I have a friend who you tricked into paying for two years, you said he could just cancel the contract and his son broke his arm and you kept charging for classes that he wasn’t taking that he couldn’t! then he got real good at baseball and didn’t want to do you classes anymore and you shove that contract into my friends face and charged him for another year. Like I said, I encourage all your students to look up on google “McDojo”. And you’re right we weren’t a big school, so it’s not hard for me to safely say none of our kids were leaving to join your school. You might even be changing the name on this website and making it look like more people are posting than just you and your friends. You were a coward then and obviously are now. I expect your email.
Omar has brought this website to the attention of several parents of TMA (Sensei Pat’s school). First of all, Wendy you claim you saw Pat two years ago but know he’s in poor shape? How could you know what he looks like now? I want to know the name of your school and who the head instructor is. I believe the same thing Omar does: this is either one or maybe a couple people from Tiger Schulmann’s Karate who are trying to tarnish a good man’s name. My sons had asthma Wendy, you have any idea what cronic asthma is like? Don’t tell me Sensei Pat didn’t do his job, because I saw very many kids get into great shape and quite frankly he was a Godsend to my boys. My sons couldn’t play any sports and were constantly being sent home due to difficulty breathing. After nine months at TMA, they were barely taking their inhalers! They joined football and wrestling too. You have no idea what it’s like to be a mother and see those kinds of improvements. Look, I don’t know what TSK is like or if you guys are the best of the best, however I do know that the kids at TMA worked hard and did amazing things and you have no right to belittle their accomplishments. You have no right to come on here with some hidden agenda and bad mouth a good man when he’s down. Why did all you people wait for him to be sent to jail to post this garbage? Because you were all too afraid of being called out on it by him. Because you know the kids at TMA were good. And as far as “Sensei” goes, you have some real nerve buddy. How dare you call yourself a Sensei, a teacher, and talk down about hard working kids. How dare you single one girl out. You know what, I was at that challenge too and I saw Sensei Audra ripping your kids apart. I particularly liked the time when your mob of parents were cheering real loud and she picked one girl up, and when she slammed her everyone got real quite. It’s funny that you should come on here and say your girl was training for six months. I saw maybe three people there that didn’t have black belts on. And they were all five year old, but don’t get me wrong, you had plenty of 5yr old black belts too. So that’s how long it takes to get a black belt at your school? I saw everyone of Sensei Audra’s matches and she ripped every one of those kids apart. In one match a blue belt from your school kept kicking her between the legs and she had to stop and then the second time they fought Sensei Audra knocked her down like twenty times. Is that the girl you’re bragging about? The girl that would have be DQ’ed in any MMA event and then couldn’t stay standing the second time? And it’s also funny that you mention six months, because that’s how long most of the TMA kids were training for when we got together with your all star team.
Omar,
You need to get off the meds my friend. I was there that day along with all the other TSK parents and was in total digust at the filth those kids have to train in. I don’t think that mat was ever cleaned once.
My son submitted every opponent Tristar sent his way to the point were they did not want to get on the mat anymore. Pummeled was a very accurate description. You obviously have blinders on because anyone that was in the room was embarrassed for those kids.
Say what you want about TSK, but I witnessed first hand that day that my money was well spent.
Judging by the anger issues Omar is showing about this other Sensei, I would bet it is “Sensei Pat” himself, making up lies and trying to make himself feel better.. besides I feel that it is very strange how insulting someone would become just to stand up for another person who was clearly not just arrested on heresay
…and Omar, if you’re so disappointed in what your kids have lost, than why are you wasting your time on this site instead of looking for some other martial arts school that meets your standards… they don’t seem to high anyway.
Omar,
What you have written here is false. I would never call a child names. As for me being a coward think what you want. My invitation is still open as always. Tell Pat to enjoy prison.
Chris,
It is people Like Pat Betterton that give creedence to Sean Hannity. He puts children in harms way for his own twisted ego with no regard for there health and safety. I wasn’t self promoting. I was just being honest. As far as the McDojo coment, Isn’t it funny how schools like his are always bad mouthing the schools that are giving students what they are paying for.
I totally agree with Wendy … I believe that Omar is Pat… why else would he feel so compelled to attack Tiger Schulmann’s and Sensei Katz. It takes a sick mind to think of all these lies and also play on the weaknesses of young girls. We had such a large amount of parents with us at that school that day, strictly because Pat provided our school with ages and weights of kids he wanted there (even though he only had less than a dozen of his own)… NOT ONE of us left with anything positive to say about that school.. from the ground up and yet he continues to lie about things that were said and done. I’d like to say “get a life”.. but that’s a far cry from what it is I think that you’ll be getting. I’ll have to agree with Sensei now…. enjoy prison Pat .
Ok I am not Sensei Pat and anyone who wants to email me and talk to me can. My email is karatekid48ob@hotmail.com . So I have contacted other parents and ask that they give me their thoughts on this matter. Some of them have not emails and so you can email me if you would like to contact them. The other ones want to defend Sensei Pat as much as I would and I ask anyone else reading this site that knew Sensei Pat should defend him from these people. This would have been faster but I had to type some of these because people did not understand me and gave it to me printed out on paper. I ask you one thing then I am done. If he was so terrible, why did you wait until now and him being in jail to say all this? You said nothing for months after our challenge and now all of a sudden you attack when he is clearly down? Kicking someone when they are down is not something I encourage, so no I will not be bringing my children to your school. And yes, they are attending a school in Middlesex, three times a week. I am done with this subject.
Tom Ryan wrote:
Email: dfmessa@hotmail.com
My name is Tom Ryan, and you and I have a bit of history Sensei Katz, but I won’t get into that with you. I had a son in your school and had a similar experience to Omar’s friend. If you want to continue posting about this topic, I must first ask you to supply all those reading with some things that any decent business man would. First of all, I would like you to post your class fees and contract information. By all means, you can include that “special introduction rate” but make sure you include the regular rate too. Then also please supply us with a copy of the contract that you throw in people’s faces when they want to stop taking classes, however you want to keep charging them for these classes even if they don’t/can’t take them. Then please also include the prices of the testing fees and your seminars and everything else that you add on, like special clubs for black belt etc. Then while you’re being honest, please do tell everyone about how you have 8yr olds teaching classes and you yourself are constantly emailing and calling the parents trying to force equipment down their throats. “You son will really have to but this $50 equipment so he can advance to the next level”. Then, please do include a breakdown with equipment prices too. If you feel extra honest, you can supply what you actually pay for this equipment too. If you don’t feel so inclined, then I urge any and all of your students to visit this website:
http://mtitrading.com/how_to_order.htm
They have a toll free number, call and ask for some prices. These are prices without big corporate discounts like TSK has, and you may be a little upset to learn uniforms actually cost $6 a piece, a full set of gear costs about $30, and so forth. Then if you do want anymore gear, do go to that website or even search the net, there are lots of other places to get the exact same gear TSK sells you, without the markup. There are dozens of places that sell this stuff for ¼ of what TSK charges…
Now let me set the record straight about this challenge we had back in September. I saw the email Sensei Pat sent you. He said we would have a couple dozen kids, beginners and intermediates, on that day. A couple dozen kids from Old Bridge. Then you come down there with kids from Middletown, Toms River, your school in East Brunswick, and God knows where else. You had to have brought something like 60-70 kids and a mob of parents too. Now say whatever you will about the day of the challenge, my son did great, and I think all the TMA kids did great, I will let you in on something. For about a week after the challenge, Sensei Pat was staying after class with certain students and parents and watching videos of the matches. I was fortunate enough to be watching with my son the night that a MMA referee that does matches down in Atlantic City came up to watch them too. He found it hilarious that Pat was so upset about things you were saying after watching the videos because he said, and I quote, “even someone who was blind could see who dominated this thing”. He counted something like 5-1 in favor of us for the kick boxing matches, and something like 10-1 in favor for us for takedowns in the wrestling. You guys did have us in submissions, but only 2-1. That isn’t very good being how most of these beginner students had only learned maybe one submission at that point. Being how your kids all had Black Belts and were cherry picked from well over a thousand students (each TSK is what, 300-600 kids?) I would have expected much different numbers… Sensei Pat’s friend also found it humorous that you had 6yr old Black Belts.
As far as Omar’s “McDojo” comment. Well, I have one more website for your students and anyone else readying to view: http://www.bullshido.org/McDojo . However, all you diehard TSK fans, be forewarned, you might not like exactly how much this describes your school…
Tara Kumatreit wrote:
No email.
I have read the comments from the website that Omar printed out and would just like to say I have nothing against Tiger Schumann’s. I don’t know if your school is good, bad, great, or terrible. However, I have read the things that you said about children both here and in emails you sent Sensei Pat. He did print those out, and we were all there the several times he spoke to you on speaker phone. I don’t believe the allegations towards Sensei Pat, not one bit. I would like to remind everyone that allegations and even arrests don’t equal guilt. With matters like sex crimes and things like that, the law usually likes to err on the side of caution, and false accusations have ruined many a life before.
That’s all I have to say about that. The only other thing I would like to comment on is Wendy’s comment that she saw Sensei Pat two years ago, yet still knows he’s out of shape. That’s kind of presumptuous Wendy, wouldn’t you say? People change in two years. I think you might be embellishing that a bit, however why don’t you prove your comments. I would like to have what school you are from and the name of your instructor. Let’s see if they share the same sentiments about TMA and Sensei Pat that you do. And I will have you know that both of my sons have chronic asthma. Do you have any idea what what’s like? Before they started classes with Sensei Pat, they couldn’t do any sports and were frequently being sent home due to difficulty breathing. After nine months at TMA, they were barely using their inhaler and even joined Football and Wrestling. As a mother, I will say this- Sensei Pat was a Godsend to me and my family, he not only put them in great shape, he helped them in life.
-Tara Kumatreit
Joseph Kassen wrote:
Email: joseph.kassen@judiciary.state.nj.us
To Whom It May Concern:
This matter was brought to my attention by Mr. Pomsetty. I would like to offer testimony to what I have witnessed and experienced at the Tristar Martial Arts Dojo. I have spoken to Sensei Pat about the topics here in length at one time or another and feel I can contribute to this discussion. I was at the challenge when well over fifty (50) Tiger Schulmann’s Karate students came and I saw a very good event with kids from both schools doing excellently. I am not familiar with technical aspects and the way you score these matches, however I have been informed by a MMA referee that has done well over forty (40) matches in Atlantic City, NJ that TMA did very well at this event. My problem with the TSK people is rather with the large crowd they brought. I would like to explain the “mob mentality”. When a large group of people with hostile intent form, they tend to start acting with much more bravado then they may normally. They may act in ways that they normally wouldn’t, and the result can be atrocious behavior. At this challenge, I heard the TSK crowd cheering loudly and yelling vulgarity (b-word, f-word, etc.). This created a very negative environment. Now I was present when the telephonic conversations took place between Sensei Pat and Sensei Katz. Mr. Pomsetty has already supplied an accurate account of this event.
As far as Sensei Pat and my children go; Sensei Pat was always professional and in my eyes an excellent instructor. He took many hours of his personal time to stay after and work with the kids and I grew greatly appreciative of this. Sex crimes in NJ only result in a 50% conviction rate, and I do ask that everyone holds off any judgments on Sensei Pat until a NJ Court decided on this matter; if for no other reason than because the nature of these accusations and what they can do to all involved, victim and suspect.
Sincerely,
Mr. Joseph G. Kassen
Karen Howards wrote:
Email: k.howards@hotmail.com
My son had been enrolled with Sensei Pat at TMA for approximately six months before February. I was helping Sensei Pat extensively with his book keeping and banking matters. I can say that TMA was not a “small school” in February, however had the income of one. He had 70-something students enrolled and of them, approximately 30 were on need based assistance, and did not pay anything for classes. He also had four students who he had agreed to honor Tiger Schulmann’s Karate of East Brunswick, NJ’s contract obligations. These were children who had a younger sibling who also wanted to do Martial Arts, however the parents couldn’t afford it do to contractual obligations with Tiger Schulmann’s. When the younger siblings started to take classes at TMA, the older ones wanted to leave Tiger Schulmann’s, however had to continue paying for classes whether they were there of not. Sensei Pat offered to allow these children to go to his school for free until the Tiger Schulmann’s contract expired. Now in regards to your statement that these were students that you didn’t want anyway, I want you to really think about that and how harsh it sounds. What grown man speaks of children in this way? Furthermore, you may not have wanted them but what are you saying, you’ll take their money however? I find it very suspect that you and your instructors are coming on here months and months after this Challenge happened. Why not say all this then? It certainly does seem like you waited until Sensei Pat was arrested and are taking advantage of a situation to attack him. We, the parents of his students who actually knew him, have taken offense to this and would like you to know you have gone out of bounds with this. Sensei Pat was a good man and a great Karate Teacher.
Michelle Cromarti wrote:
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Omar has shown me the horrible things said about Sensei Pat and I am just disgusted! You people come on here and say all this stuff when he and his family are suffering! You just want to make a public spectacle out of all this! If you have a problem with Sensei Pat or his ways of teaching, you should take it up with him! If you want to claim he’s nowehere to be found then you shouldn’t have waited until now to bring all this up! Now you have to wait until it’s over! You should just live and let be! He was a good man and someone who let my two children attend classes for free when I and my husband lost their jobs! Let me ask you, Mr. Tiger Schulmann, if we came to your door and asked for free classes until we got on our feet, knowing it could be a year of more before you saw a cent, would you have done the same? To help our children? Don’t even say you would have because we did call and we did ask! Discounts, discounts, and even the suggestion of taking out a loan! A loan for karate classes! That’s what we got when we called all the other schools in the area! Sensei Pat and his family doesn’t deserve this! You should all look inside yourselves and think about what you’re doing! Just live and let be!
Kulwinder Amin wrote:
Email: kulwinder.amin@gmail.com
Sensei Pat was an excellent instructor to my children. I had one boy and one girl in his advanced class and one girl in his beginner class. He was very professional and would often go out of his way during his personal time to help me and my family. One day my wife called him in tears on her way to the beginner class because she got a flat tire on Route 18 and he came to where she was and got her off the highway and changed it for her. He was on his way home from work and didn’t go home to get changed before teaching all evening because he stopped to help her. This is the man that you are now saying dishonorable things about. Please do not do this and take it up with him if you have a problem with Sensei Pat. Furthermore, please do not discuss my children anymore.
Jessica Flanagan wrote:
Email: jflanny20@yahoo.com
If this is indeed the instructor of Tiger Schulmann’s and any other instructors, I am just appalled. You are on here belittling children and then accusing Sensei Pat of being a poor instructor? “those kids were pummeled” “I didn’t want those kids anyway” “undisciplined and dirty” Those are just some of the things you have all said. To “sensei” you went as far as to single one student at TMA out, and let me tell you what I saw in Sensei Audra’s matches. She got taken down once all day by your Black Belts. She took them down, maybe fifty times, and you somehow think she wasn’t to par? One particular time that I really liked was when she was wrestling one of your assistant instructors, and it was right in front of that huge crowd of people you brought, so of course they were all cheering your girl on and telling her to “kick her ***” and Sensei Audra picked her up and slammed her to the mat and the entire Tiger Schulmann’s crowd got dead quite. Then she let her up and the your instructor said “that was a good takedown, but I made you tap” and Sensei Audra said “no you didn’t, I let you up” so they went at it again and Sensei Audra slammed her again and this time made her tap out. Now as far as your blue belt (who was the only person there from Tiger Schulmann’s who didn’t have a Black Belt) goes, she kept kicking Sensei Audra between the legs and Sensei Audra had to stop the match. Are you kidding? You’re bragging about that? Why don’t you mention the second time they fought and your girl kept getting knocked down by Sensei Audra? Your girl would have been DQ’ed in any MMA or kick boxing even for hitting between the legs over and over again. And FYI, our kids were wearing cups, however your kids were constantly kicking the kids from TMA between the legs and jabbing them in the eyes. That’s fighting dirty and not what this sport is about. Either that, or they weren’t trained very well. Just out of curiosity, I heard you teach Jiu-Jitsu and Kick Boxing. Can you please supply a list of credentials, what you trained, your rank, and who you trained with to be teaching these things? And not your assistant instructors, you’re the head instructor, I want to know what you have. I heard you have a black belt and Karate and that’s it. Please also supply me with what competitions you have attended and their websites and/or emails so I can get a list of place winners for those years.
Now I would like to say…. thank you to all of you who wrote these things out for people to read… families from TSMMA who were there that day…. those who couldn’t believe their ears on what ridiculous things were said about that day from your school. None of you obviously know what you were looking at. There weren’t “wrestling” matches going on… they were grappling… something we are recognized nationally for, something we are “ranked” for. As far as “test fee”… there is only one, the black belt test fee, that’s it.Our program is not an annual contract… again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. As far as selling equipment, WE DON’T… we use a seperate company for that…. but WE DO insist on our students buying safety equipment. We had 4 instructors/ assistant instructors at that school that day… they all acted as referrees…. NOT ONE of them participated in any other way.In fact, they had to constantly remind Pats children to “tap” when they couldn’t breathe instead of turning blue. We brought as many students as was requested by Pat… he sent us a list of ages and weights that he was going to have there…. as I stated before, he had less than a dozen when we got there. We did vocalize what we thought that week with him… he kept asking that we participate in his “tournament” and Sensei declined as he saw it only damaging to Pat’s kids and beneath ours. We did have more than black belts there… many more, we brought all levels, including a white belt beginner who came from your school… Say what you want, say what you will…. we are the best out there, we are the biggest out there and our reputation proves it. Our instructors are UNEQUALLED by any other.Our fight team is unequalled by any other. I am very sorry about the people who couldn’t afford TSMMA, I am… but there are also people who can’t afford to shop in the best shops… does that mean that someone should give it to them for nothing ????? These people are obviouls angry they couldn’t come to the best… I guess I would be angry too. I am done with this thread…. I have now found it too funny how you all gathered to protect a man who could care less about your childrens safety. What does confuse me is that you all say something about videos… yet I am POSITIVE that NONE of our parents or families signed any kind of release to have their child videotaped of photographed. Are you all stating publically that Pat did something illegal ????? I think our parents need to look further into this. Again… thank you !!!
As I reread the threads the reason TSK parents got involved was a statement made by Omar, “And they really kicked but when they fought in those tournaments. It seems like they were better taught than everyone else.” It struck a cord with us because we all left there in amazement that Pat allowed his students to fight knowing they weren’t properly prepared to fight the level of students from TSK. His students were not quitters and fought to their best ability. As far as the crowd is concerned, Sensei Katz did not REQUIRE us to be there. TSK parents support their children and the difference that day was there were very few students from Pat’s school. I’m sure Pat is a good guy to many of his students but the fact does remain we dominated that challenge and instead of defending what occurred it should have made Pat train his students harded and have them invest in protective gear. TSK is more costly than other schools, but you get what you pay for. And for the record wouldn’t you have hand picked the best to fight in a challenge – were those children Pat’s best??? Also, children who have their blackbelt do NOT teach class! Sensei is on the mat teaching and blackbelts warm up the class. It takes years to get your blackbelt – my son has been going for 6 years! They don’t just hand out blackbelts, you have to work for them!
…I’d like a copy of the video tape that my son is in…I did not sign a consent form to have my son videoed that day.
This will be my last post.
I first would like to say I apologize for the way I worded my email. It isn’t the kids I wouldn’t want. it is the parents with the bad attitudes.Has nothing to do with finances.
I wrote an email to Pat after the so called challenge. Pat wrote me an email that he thought it was great and wanted to do this once a month. My nicely worded email basically stated that I woulldn’t put his kids in harms way again. He got upset and tried to get us to enter his tournament. i declined for the same reason and told him I thought it served my students no purpose.
I had nothing against him up to that point. He may be the nicest guy in the world to you people and that is fine.
To me he is a hot head. There is no place for that in the martial arts. As for him coming in to my school to spar or grapple with me, i told him he just has to call. Still can if that is what he wants.
Tom Ryan, I don’t know who you are, but I can tell you you are very misinformed about how my school operates. We don’t have fees for testing. I don’t sell equipment or uniforms. If you do go into a class that requires safety gear, you are required to purchase it through our gear company. If you go skiing don’t you need skis?
I also am telling any of my students/parents not to post here anymore. Negativity breeds more negativity.
Seeing is believing. Our parents saw with there own eyes. The girl Audra and the red belt teen boy with the curly hair had a lot of heart and with “proper training” would be awesome.
No one, including myself ever said anything bad about your kids. This challenge wasn’t the first time it was actually the second. The first time the same thing happened in anothe rTSMMA school.
I was very reluctant to do it again but Pat kept on bothering myself and another Sensei until we agreed. Obviously I should have stuck to my original instincts.
As far as what we charge, this is my job. don’t you get paid for your job.
I do get paid for my job, however I don’t drive a hummer. And if you earned that, I could understand… However can you explain why there is such a large gap from the price for equipment from your school and the warehouse?
I think you owe it to address certain things some of the parents have asked for. Perhaps they were negative about this, so I will try in another way.
Please post all your prices and any contract information associated with your school, i.e. length and conditions if for classes that the kids do not attend.
Also, I have heard all of Sensei Pat’s background in karate and wrestling, as you seem to as well. Perhaps it’s simply not knowing you, so could you please be list your training and tournaments like the one woman asked?
And as far as the videos goes I don’t have any videos of your children, however I do have several of my own children. Tom and others also have videos of their children. Maybe your children are in them but are you saying I can not be recording my own children? Lots of people record little league games and pop warner games. If you would like to email me with your full name and a description of your son, I can see if he is in any videos of my children. karatekid48ob@yahoo.com
Also Mr. Sensei, I do not understand why you and your people seem to have seen soemthing completely different than us? Let us just get this straight then. Are you denying that Sensei Audra did what several people said she did? Are you calling us liars?
Here are some links for all the Tiger Schulman’s people.
What is a “McDojo”? Not good… I think this pretty much fits Tiger Schulman’s, but you be the judge:
mcdojo-faq.tripod.com
mcdojo-faq.tripod.com
http://www.bullshido.org/McDojo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDojo
Equipment Prices (call and just ask, they’ll tell you right off the bat, they are very friendly), why is Tiger Schulman charging so much more?:
mtitrading.com/how_to_order.htm
I just wanted to clarify something as my final post. I was searching the internet trying to find the article about Pat’s arrest and came across this site. I started reading and just couldn’t believe what I was seeing so I posted. Then I told Sensei about it. That’s how it started – simple as that. No one was waiting for Pat to not be around to defend himself. You can all send your children to whatever school you like. You are all entitled to your opinions and perspectives. I don’t need to argue it verbally with you. The “proof is in the pudding” as they say. TSMMA continues to dominate wherever they go. I’ve been involved with TSMMA for over 8 years now. I did tons of research before deciding where my son would learn the martial arts. I wasn’t about to just let anyone influence my child. TSMMA was THE ONLY school that did not have kids teaching their classes. A black belt is a wonderful honor but it DOES NOT QUALIFY ANYONE to teach. TSMMA was THE ONLY school that required their instructors to be CERTIFIED in what they were teaching academically and practically. You are all VERY misinformed about how things operate at TSMMA. You should all stop in some time and see for yourself. Despite all of the terrible lies and rumours you spread about TSMMA, you would still be welcomed to give it a try. And our kids would welcome your kids, help them and guide them because that’s just how we are.
I feel bad for Pat’s family. But the police don’t just go arrest someone “just because” – he brought it upon himself.
I have some questions for Sensei Andrew Katz, and if he does so choose to not post anymore, fine, I guess he said that before I posted on here. First off, my son was at your school about five years ago and he hated the classes and you shoved that contract in my face and kept charging me for them. “No refunds”. If you’re still having trouble remembering, perhaps this will remind you: my lawyer took Tiger Schulmann’s to court and I was refunded $850.
Now as far as you people nit picking about grappling and wrestling, they are the same thing. Take the UFC. That’s grappling, right? Well, it’s dominated by wrestlers. And haven’t you ever heard of NAGA? Northern Americal Garppling Association. And what do they do? Look at their website “submission wrestling”. You’re trying to make us look like we don;t know what we’re talking about to parents who may not be that informed. Well, I happen to know a lot about the martial arts and MMA.
Back to Sensei Katz, I think Jessica raised an excellent point, and I would like you to inform us how credible you are as in instructor. What training in the kick boxing and juijitsu that you teach did you take and under who did you study and for how long? Also, what competitions did you win?
My other item is something you did not respond to, however you did address me, so I am responding to your post and asking for what I asked for the first time. Please list all prices associated with your school and also tell us where we can get a copy of that contract. Please do list everything, regular classes, black belt club, gear, testing fee, monthly dues, everything. And tell me, if my son joins back up and doesn’t take all the classes, do you give refunds?
Oh, here are some experts discussing Tiger Schulaman’s. Just click the first link…
http://www.google.com/search?h.....tnG=Search
And this is why I left organized martial arts after nearly 20 years in it.. People have to argue over who’s school is best, who has the better sensai, who has the better McDojo, and everything else under the sun rather than what this discussion should be about, the kids and whether organized MMA is a good thing for children or not.. You all sound like a bunch of little league parents..
Personally I think if you aren’t forced to run barefoot in the snow and spar with “no” pads, then you are play acting at martial arts.. Most of you seem to have no clue what the art is supposed to be about as evidenced by your posts here..
As for the blog post itself.. I am a huge fan of giving kids the skills necessary to defend themselves and compete with similarly skilled opponents.. Competition for children is important.. It teaches them to win with grace, and lose with dignity.. Even in a loss a child can gain confidence in themselves.. It isn’t always about winning.. I’m a Hannity fan, and McCain supporter and think that they are wrong on this topic.. About as wrong as you can get..
Well, it’s official Sensei Pat Betterton(he doesn’t deserve that title) has admitted to having sexual realtions with a 15 year old (13 at the time) student. So do y’all think he’s the best teacher ever. He will be spending the next 6 years as a resident of the state of NJ. He will have to register as a sex offender and will have to under go parole for the rest of his life. Pat had the ability of fool a lot of people, to show them what they wanted to see and not the real Pat. Justice has been served
A sad ending to a sad situation.
Nevertheless, I stand by the information in the this article. Whatever his motivations were, Pat’s knowledge about how kids are affected by MMA — positively or otherwise — helped make this article whole.
Omar,
It is great that your kids had an outlet in Martial Arts, unfortunatly their problem was their instructor. About a year and a half two years ago, TMA came to one of my schools tournaments hosted by Grand Master GJ Torres Sr. Black Dragond Dojo held in Titon Falls N.J., first no one from TMA placed all were defeated. That wasn’t the problem, the problem was at the end of the tournament, Pat challenged my full contact team to fight his students 4 on 4,5 point, point fight with everyone in the tournament clearly knowing that TMA wasn’t even close to having a chance. Every fighter I had was 200+ pounds, hard hitting, blackbelts, with 10-23 years experiance, they that thought he was joking at first, he was serious. The challenge was so crazy, all of the other instructors at the tournament were pissed, asking him why would he put his studedents through that? And that he was going to kill their self esteam. Tables were turned when my instructor and host of the tournament Grand Master GJ Torres Sr. told “sensei pat” that we will take the challenge, only if he fights GM Torres as the 5th man on the team. Pat started getting nervous studdering saying “nah man today is for my students, I’m not fighting” after numberous attempts, Pat finally agreed. My team was on there “D-game” going in slow motion, while scoring, the only points TMA scored was my team just standing there with their hands down letting them his us, because we felt sorry for them. That’s the truth. As for Pat’s “fight” it was a verification that he had no business teaching karate, EVER!! He didn’t score a single point, flopping all over the place , barley kicking above his waist. He was extreamly out if shape. Unless you count round. It was embarrassing, and everyone thought of TMA as a joke. It was even recorded on video. After the team fight ended I went to the TMA team,they were all crying (seriously, years and all) and told them to make them feel better, that they did good, and they have a lot of potential, their only problem was they have a bad instructor who doesn’t care about them, physically or emotionally. I said it right in front if Pat, he just put his head down and the all left. If your kids were there they know me, and know I talked to them. I understand teaching your students to not back down, be strong and have confidence, but Pat did the opposite that day, and will never get respect in the real Martial Arts world. I don’t know if what he’s charged with is true, but as for Martial Arts as most who have met him, know it’s one thing to promote Martial Arts (keep it alive), buts it’s another when you teach kids wrong, break them down because of you own ego, making them think the far better then what they truly are, thus killing Martial Arts. And my statement is true, I won’t use a false name Master GJ Torres Jr. Black Dragons Dojo (Torres- Hei Long System)
Omar
Your right about one thing, if instructors and true Martial Artists are going to comment, leave your real name and Dojo, be proud to represent true Martial Arts and stop mess like this from happening. Don’t think bussiness or what you say will hurt your because in the long run, true Leaders of the Martial Arts should respect that you have a OPINION on matters of ” fake” Martial Arts. John Quincy Adams said ” If your ACTIONS inspire others to DREAM more, LEARN more, DO more and BE more, then your a leader” Pat’s students needed that type of LEADER, unfortunatly a leader must also lead by example. For you Omar he was all that, unfortunatly alot of parents don’t know the difference between good Martial Arts and what’s bad, and that not all instant,lil improvments show the school, studio, or dojo are good at making your kids great leaders and if you they knew what their children should be learning, they wouldn’t need an instructor to teach them. And for those who say ” I don’t care if my son or daughters a leader, I just want them to do karate, or learn how to kick butt”….. Tell me any parent who raises their kids to grow up and be followers??
Pat sentenced to 6 years. I went to high school with pat, he wrestled 1 match and got destroyed but thought he was great. Omar is def him as well his email address is pats fav movie the year of his birth backwards and ob for old bridge. The sensie above described what pat would look like in a fight to a t. He was def hot tempered and dellusinal in high school and this story honestly isn’t surprising. I do feel bad for him and what is going to happen to him in jail is sad. Its a shame he was even in this situation.
I don’t feel bad at all. He deseves everything that’s coming to him.
Thanks for the update, cba. That is sad news.
Master GJ, yes, since he was found guilty, he deserves his punishment. However, I’m still standing by the initial point about MMA and children. Unfortunately, because of Pat’s choices, the message has been completely misplaced.
And that’s unfortunate.
I’m not sure why this situation is sad – Pat is a criminal and deserves whatever he gets in prison! He took the innocence away from a 13 year old girl! He put himself in this situation when he took this teenager to his home for his own pleasure…PLEASE! I’m sure BUBA will have his way with Pat in Prison! He is right where he belongs! It is our responsibility as adults to protect and guide children this man took that all away from this girl!
I’ll tell you why I said it was sad. When I talked to Pat on the phone, he seemed very passionate about protecting kids, and in hindsight, his behavior was completely different.
While we didn’t necessarily become comrades or anything during the conversation, I respected his opinion when he gave it. His choices, again, ruined the original intent of this post — that is, MMA/Martial Arts training is NOT open season on exploiting children.
It’s a crying shame Pat couldn’t practice what he was preaching.
Hey Omar, is that email address; karatekid48ob@yahoo.com, still active?
In hindsight?… Almost every criminal has that same though, that they should have never done it, when they get caught. See I’ve been in the Martial Arts for 26 years, my father has been in Martial arts for nearly 45 years, I have a son that is now training. What happens is that Pat’s actions effect true instructors,true leaders in the Arts. Let’s be honest when a parent bring their kids to a Martial Arts Dojo, they really don’t know the difference between karate and tae kwon do, or Kung Fu, they just have trust that you will teach their kids to be strong,healthy,confident leaders who can defend themselves if need be. They don’t know your dojo from the one down the road. Now parents loose that trust when so called “instructors” do things like this.When Pat comes out he will never legally be able to run another dojo again,never get respected as a Martial Artist (not that anyone besides his students did), and that’s what he deserves In my opinion if an “instructor” does that he must get what I like to call “Dojo Justice”.
Yes, in hindsight, because at the time of the conversation, his motives weren’t apparent. Furthermore, I’m not defending Pat, his actions, or the fact he got punished.
I’m simply defending the theme of the post, which is, once again, that MMA/Martial Arts/Defense instruction is not, in its nature, an exploitative activity. Unfortunately, Pat completely torpedoed the message.
Ok
CBA, you should check your information. Apparently you do not know Pat at all because that is not his birthday, nor was Karate Kid is favorite movie. As a matter of fact, the only information there that I know is correct is the fact that he lived in Old Bridge and that he was sentenced to six years.
What I also believe is that, Omar is in fact NOT Pat, but a close friend, relative, or co-worker that will do everything in his power to defend Pat. Even lie and make up excuses. I have come to that conclusion based off the comments from “jdmmojo” in this article of Pat’s sentence.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.s.....l#comments
Omar, if you are indeed this “jdmmojo” how do you know so much about Pat, while you live in Redmond, Washington?
Omar, one more question. What is the point of defending Pat? He is in jail and is a registered sex offender. Does anything else really matter? What is the point of defending him? Are you going to defend him for the 6 years that he is in prison? Beyond that?
If I were you I’d just stop.
Good stuff!!
Pat Betterton was born in November of 1984 I believe, went to Christian Brother’s Academy and was pompous arrogant and felt like the world couldn’t touch him in all my years of knowing him. Just look at his Facebook page here: http://www.facebook.com/group......2204845679 it’s ridiculous that he thinks so highly of himself. I really hope that getting pounded by Bubba knocks him down a peg or two.
Oh and if anyone doubts that I do know him, I could tell you where he lived in Old Bridge, what company his father works for, his mother’s name how many siblings he had, and where he went to grammar school.
OK, after almost two years of this conversation, it’s time to close it. Sean, I understand your anger, but I’m not going to let a meager sports blog comments page turn into a “know your enemy” slam fest. Pat is already paying the price for his terrible choices.
The rest is simply piling on.
Thank you all for contributing to such an interesting story.